OK at work safe now...
Snow today in Switzerland, and a few times on the road to work I thought (not to the point of saying it aloud, some hope left) $report while admiring the witless manoeuvers of fellow commuters.
Too much CTRA maybe? My wife also thinks so

...again

This will work when you accelerate but under braking I can not make it... direction gets wrong
Alternate suggestion:
Decrease button control rate as suggested in this post:

Quote from gohfeld23 :

I was a mouse racer for a long time and I do have some tips that will make it much more controllable.

First off, map your keyboard to brake and throttle for your left hand. Now map your mouse buttons to shift up/down.
This has a dual purpose.
First it gives you more control and less chances to fumble buttons trying to brake, accelerate and steer.
Second has to do with computer drivers and potential hardware restrictions.
Trying to steer brake and stabilise the car with the mouse at the same time can have response issues between the mouse, drivers and your PC.
By separating the important commands to 2 devices (Kb and Mouse), 2 different sets of drivers take care of only one input at a time...I hope this makes sense.

Another extremely important setting for RWD is Button Control Rate.
In LFS, its set to 4 by default. This is too responsive for powerful RWD cars as the power is either full on or full off.
Lower this to mid to low 2's and hitting the button will smoothly apply throttle in LFS.
This helps greatly in corner outs and braking without locking. Just make sure to brake a tad earlier this way, or you will overshoot the corner.

Good luck. I hope this helps a bit.

I found this useful

Quote from word. :

CTRA sucks since they got rid of TBOs for silver licence drivers, so I don't race there any more.

/OT Good news for you, apparently it's back (Silver - TBO). Check the CTRA section I think it was reintroduced last week or so.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=32046 more OT... How do you post a link that works? sorry for noob question

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Fri 12 Oct 2007, 12:37. Reason : link

I tend to have less T1 problems when I drive XRG on CTRA - better start means you have some (limited) space when you reach T1, unless of course you want to gain more than 1-2 positions before reaching T1.
This way I can brake a little bit earlier and get a faster exit to get away from the pack and not lose 25 meters to the top 10.
When racing the same cars I have no solution except awareness / too slow T1 does not work well!
My biggest concern is when there is a yellow at T1 - no idea what to do, slowing down (lifting) as should be expected ends up in crash more often than full throttle gambling in short races. Probably more practice needed!
Playing on full demo servers also help awareness, there the range of skills is very wide and you often get race starts training due to "T1 crash - xxx voted to restart" 5 times in a row

I also voted for no supers on road cars but tweaker's idea sure seems entertaining... +1

This is more or less what ZWR achieves with the 45% restricted UFR, fun to drive!

Quote from AndroidXP :

Any chance of a transcript? I'm at work (*cough*) and can't listen to it yet

+1...

Quote from pine-fin :

An another incident (not on ctra)
One anonymous driver was 1-2 seconds faster than me. Still, he couldnt pass me because I drove a defensive line, and nailed all apexes before long straights. Yep, he was mad as hell allright. Driving a defensive line is not blocking is it? It is allowed to change racing line once and go back (though I didnt do this). He was faster than me, but still he cant pass me? And according to him, "I suck!"

Well, you sure are hard to pass when you are at it .
Thanks for the fights on CTRA1! To hell with points, what I'm looking for is close racing at my level (said politely beginner) and I find that easily on CTRA1.
As a bonus I also find fast guys who share advice and setups.
So yes I got S2 and jumped straight into CTRA1 server, and I find my learning curve there is pretty good and I have fun.
I also see no point in practicing offline after you get decent lines for a track, after all this is a racing sim.
Keep LFS welcoming for newbies or it will die...

[quote=Glenn67;559178]
I rear-ended another car this morning.
I tell you, I knew right then and there that it was going to be a REALLY bad day!
The driver got out of the other car, and wouldn't you know it...
He was a DWARF!!
He looked up at me and said "I am NOT Happy!"
So I said, "Well, then, which one ARE you?"
And that's how the fight started.

Thanks, that made my Monday morning at work!

And also consider the rear tyres used in this set are Hybrid - that is even further from RL and weird but may justify the higher camber values for deflection.
Unfortunately this strange set works much better, when I first used this kind of set I immediatly knocked 1 sec off my laptimes in BL compared to the "realistic" set I created after long trials.

I'd rather see x axis for steering, y axis for throttle and brake assigned to a button - having tried the combined y axis for throttle / brake I can not consistantly brake in a straight line (or in the adequate direction). This would also solve the left fott braking issue.
But it does not seem possible to implement. Carry on tapping!

Despite adversity (wife, kids, laptop + mouse, work, age...) I got S2 today (had to shamefully sneak the payment around my wife, reminds me of my teenage guilt).
I've been playing a good deal of demo and think the devs deserve this money already.
I like this guide but would like more advice: what is feasible with a mouse? I expect it would be near impossible to drive GTR or single seaters with that awkward controller.
Apparently I gather from the forums that the thing "button control rate" could help me, what are the ranges for the different car types?
I use 6 for xfg, xrg and 5.5 for xrt to keep it smoother, I wonder how other mousers set that for faster cars.
I see absolutely no chance to get my hands on a wheel, it is much more difficult to smuggle than a virtual license

Greetings from far back on the grid
Thank you

Argh... I've been wasting 5 minutes during which I should have been working hard reading through this pointless thread. How can this nonsense be related to improvement?
Where is there a suggestion in it?

Now I wasted 2 more minutes posting there back to work

No in favor of bumping this thread, but as Kev did it himself

I am by no means expert but it seems to me that the thread

"Help Kev Get a World Record! (hahahaha)"

(no idea how to link to it though, maybe Kev you can provide the link) deserves at least attention for any beginner in search of documentation for improving laptimes.

OK 34 here, but the wife thinks I look 14 when playing LFS.
Unfortunately she teaches to 14 years old.
This is why I will have to sneak the payment around her if I want S2 any sooner than the next decade and peace at home at the same time... considering using moneybookers, looks the best way as far as I figure out how to issue a payment to my bank unnoticed.
Shame...

No
Same as above for realism, and time consuming new feature.

Interesting debate...
Let's try reason there, removing human rights / philosophical / religious concerns from our minds because they attract passion.
OK in favour of death penalty we have less direct cost - no prison fees for dead people.
But I see flaws there
death sentence take a long time to come to application in Texas, for economical benefit execution should happen right after the sentence. Better understood in China!
Now for indirect costs: What is the cost associated to psychological support provided to the Jury / court / execution crew... who all participated in a murder? Ok we will do a study and then decide if death penalty is financially worthwhile.

Side thought: Old guy with cancer. lots of money to keep him alive for a few month - does the collectivity pay for that? If not how is it comparable to death penalty?
Bring reasonnig further: Older ones, sick ones cost more than they will bring. So we should stop supporting them? Or go one more step further and sentence them to death as they waste collectivity's money?

This may be why us civilised humans came up with values, concepts and ideas to raise a little bit above middle ages. However it seems we easily suffer from amnesia when sufficiently told horror stories of insane murders, orange belt with green ribbons terrorism threat levels and the likes. Maybe we are still in middle ages or getting back there, let's burn a few witches!

Best regards

I agree with Dalarna - content provided for demo is already too much.

However the average behaviour found on demo servers compensates the generosity of the devs, so the incentive to get a full license should be strong enough for those who want to race and keep wreckers in demo.
The only question left, though, is how this forum can show us demo users that S2 is fair and close racing, good competition and no hacking / swearing / wrecking deliberately or stupidly.

So no to more demo, we have more than enough as I see it because BL1rev is seldom used for races.

I will buy a license - someday...

These are entertaining arguments in "proper English", reading this thread makes a good start for a long day at work...
Thanks for the show!

I personnally found out only recently how to use the F12 pitting instructions, I did not find that so obvious as to deserve a public spanking.

Regards

And please don't let all these 8 years old online again... always seems to happen when I try my limited skills on a demo server
Thanks

Been playing for too long considering I'm still demo user - first download was version Q I think. I Played only offline with some AI (not often, less than 1/2 hour per week) and started online when I received a decent laptop, that was during the W-30ish test patches I think.
During race I can do approx 1.35 consistantly with XFG and 1.36 with XRG - XRT 1.26, usually enough to stay in the 1st half of the pack.
I play a bit more now, this leading to the wife issues and went though your setup guides and the forum helped a lot, thanks.

So I will probably carry on tapping mouse buttons for a while . RWD are more interesting and rewarding to drive but I like closer races with XFG (until the usual crasher pops up to even chances)

Hi all,
new here on this forum and furthermore demo - maybe taking chances now...
I enjoy this game, demo content is way too much to be free and I should pay for S2 only to thanks the devs for the good time I already had.
Money is not an issue but only credit card available back home is my wife's and the negociations have started poorly at the best, maybe a few more months / years / decades will be necessary.

On topic now
I am limited in this game by a few things and would appreciate assistance:
I play on company laptop (home=mac) good enough for 40+fps is all demo situations so that should work.
I have no space to accomodate a wheel and it would be years before I can do that, plus I would not be able to use it for noise / kids / wife issues. So I use the mouse to steer.
I used keyboard for throttle / brake and clutch / gears, but throttle control is poor - feasible for GTI but no reliable enough for the 2 other RWDs.
I tried mouse Y axis for throttle / brake and I can not get used to it.
I would like to have steer and throttle on mouse axis X and Y, brake on mouse button. I tried separate axis (attached pic) but then I have no brake anymore. This leads to typical demo driving situations
Is there a way to have throttle on mouse axis Y and brake on a mouse button?
How is the handbrake working? I could tie hanbrake to a mouse button if it works like the brake for a (frustratingly unrealistic) quick fix.

So this issue is the only reason why I register on this forum now, although I enjoy reading it (at work...) frequent demo bashing makes me reluctant to venture on Jakg and the likes ground (although I love reading Jakg's posts).

Sorry for the long post and thanks to dev team for the game and to the community for making it live.

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 12:36.